{"id":1406462,"date":"2026-06-17T14:08:12","date_gmt":"2026-06-17T11:08:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prm.ua\/the-events-in-armenia-are-a-natural-process-of-the-final-collapse-of-the-russian-empire-says-yuriy-lutsenko\/"},"modified":"2026-06-17T14:09:36","modified_gmt":"2026-06-17T11:09:36","slug":"the-events-in-armenia-are-a-natural-process-of-the-final-collapse-of-the-russian-empire-says-yuriy-lutsenko","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prm.ua\/en\/the-events-in-armenia-are-a-natural-process-of-the-final-collapse-of-the-russian-empire-says-yuriy-lutsenko\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cThe events in Armenia are a natural process of the final collapse of the Russian Empire,\u201d says Yuriy Lutsenko"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>World-renowned Ukrainian boxing champion Oleksandr Usyk unexpectedly met with US President Donald Trump. Why did he do this, will it help Ukraine improve relations with the US, and who is really funding his ambitious political career? What do recent events in Armenia mean? Renowned Ukrainian politician Yuriy Lutsenko discussed this in an interview with The Week featuring Peter Zalmaev.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Greetings, friends! Today with us is Yuriy Lutsenko. Mr. Yuriy, greetings.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yuriy Lutsenko: Greetings, Peter. Greetings to all viewers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Let&#8217;s start with the Ukrainian context. A photo of our boxing champion, Oleksandr Usyk, meeting with Donald Trump has been making the rounds. The boxer&#8217;s possible political ambitions are currently being actively discussed. Numerous conspiracy theories have emerged: some say it&#8217;s a plot hatched by Ukrainian oligarchs, specifically Lyovochkin; others say the Presidential Office is panicking over the emergence of a new competitor. Political scientist Vadym Denisenko concludes that Usyk has begun his political game, and the likelihood of his participation in the upcoming elections is quite high. Do you agree with these conclusions?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yuriy Lutsenko<\/strong> : It&#8217;s no secret that Oleksandr Usyk has long declared his presidential ambitions\u2014presidential, that is, and he has no intention of lowering the bar. Few believed it before, but after his meeting with Trump, everyone will. This photograph was intended precisely for that purpose: Usyk&#8217;s determined boxing stance and Trump&#8217;s somewhat reserved posture demonstrate the athlete&#8217;s seriousness in running for president of Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p>Does he have the electoral base for this? Yes. A niche of the so-called pro-Russian electorate (around 20%) has vacated in Ukraine. Under the influence of Russian bombs and missiles, these people have changed their views. They no longer like Putin and Russia, but want to maintain ties to Russian culture and the church. The Cossack image of a champion, bolstered by the financial support of big businesses like ATB, is ideal for this segment. Therefore, the greatest concern is in the Presidential Office and the remnants of the Opposition Platform \u2013 For Life, which is also counting on these votes. Personally, I don&#8217;t see any chance for Usyk to become president, but his ability to draw votes from pro-Russian forces will only benefit Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Is there any practical benefit for Ukraine from this meeting? We see that Trump has no time for us right now: he&#8217;s focused on domestic issues and the Middle East standoff. His approval ratings are falling ahead of the midterm congressional elections. Could Usyk somehow influence Trump, given the latter&#8217;s fondness for successful athletes and stocky men?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yuriy Lutsenko:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t think the state will benefit from this. It&#8217;s a one-sided meeting. Trump genuinely loves world champions; he&#8217;s friends with Klitschko, and now he&#8217;ll be communicating with Usyk as well. On the other hand, with this visit, Usyk is demonstrating to Ukrainians his Western orientation and his lack of ties to Moscow. However, this contact won&#8217;t provide any practical assistance to Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p>In Washington, our country has almost completely disappeared from the political agenda of both parties. American politicians are focused on Trump&#8217;s Iranian adventure, inflation, and the upcoming elections. When asked who they see as the future leader of Ukraine, they are genuinely surprised and ask, &#8220;Can you really have elections?&#8221; Americans are currently preoccupied exclusively with their own domestic politics, and Usyk&#8217;s visit won&#8217;t change that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: But let&#8217;s note that the US House of Representatives <a href=\"https:\/\/prm.ua\/en\/aid-to-ukraine-and-new-sanctions-against-russia-what-the-new-us-bill-provides\/\">voted for a bill strengthening sanctions against Russia<\/a>, and even some Republicans went against the wishes of their leader, Donald Trump, by supporting it. Isn&#8217;t that a positive sign?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yuriy Lutsenko:<\/strong> This document has been under consideration in Congress for several years now, dating back to the height of enthusiasm for aid to Ukraine. Unfortunately, the Republicans have blocked it for a long time, and only now have the necessary votes been found. However, I doubt it will be fully reviewed and that Trump will sign it.<\/p>\n<p>The majority in Congress still supports Ukraine, but this is only sporadic. Both parties are focused on confronting Iran and combating inflation, which is hurting American voters. Ukraine has a small chance of returning to the US agenda after the NATO summit in Switzerland if Washington supports the European security plan outlined during Zelenskyy&#8217;s meeting with the leaders of the European &#8220;troika.&#8221; However, raising the Ukrainian issue on the eve of the elections is unfavorable for both American parties, as it offers no political gains. Furthermore, this bill still needs to be voted on in the Senate, where party discipline is much stricter.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"\ud83d\udca5\u041b\u0423\u0426\u0415\u041d\u041a\u041e: \u0412 \u0423\u043a\u0440\u0430\u0457\u043d\u0456 \u0437\u0430\u0433\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0440\u0438\u043b\u0438 \u043f\u0440\u043e \u043d\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0433\u043e \u043a\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0438\u0434\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u0432 \u043f\u0440\u0435\u0437\u0438\u0434\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0438! \u0423\u0441\u0438\u043a \u043d\u0435\u0441\u043f\u043e\u0434\u0456\u0432\u0430\u043d\u043e \u0437\u0430\u0439\u043d\u044f\u0432 \u043d\u0456\u0448\u0443, \u044f\u043a\u0443\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/NBhv1VMtpL8?list=PLuFlabNyN8mOP-_r2rqWku0oIVxXcQgTW\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: It seems that it was precisely because of the US&#8217;s passivity that President Zelenskyy traveled to London and other European capitals. Many analysts see this as an attempt to reorient the country toward Europe. How productive was this visit?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yuriy Lutsenko:<\/strong> This visit began with an unpleasant question about secret negotiations between Zelenskyy&#8217;s team and Roman Abramovich. The Russian oligarch secretly arrived in Kyiv, despite an official entry ban. The head of the presidential security detail escorted him across the border without any identification and delivered him to Bankova Street. Our allies were shocked when they learned of this from the American press, as such contacts should be coordinated with partners. Let me remind you that Abramovich was the one who facilitated Putin&#8217;s rise to power, so he is a figure very close to the Kremlin. Consequently, one of the decisions in London was Ukraine&#8217;s commitment to coordinate all such negotiations.<\/p>\n<p>The main outcome of Zelenskyy&#8217;s meeting with the leaders of Great Britain, France, and Germany was a joint declaration on a vision for ending the war. It calls for a ceasefire along the line of contact, post-war compensation by Russia, and the establishment of an international peacekeeping mission. This is a realistic plan, categorically rejected by Moscow.<\/p>\n<p>We are currently witnessing a global confrontation between the United States and China, which is challenging American hegemony. Western elites have two approaches to Russia. Trump&#8217;s team seeks to reach an agreement with Moscow and win it over to their side against China. The British Democratic Party&#8217;s approach is to force Russia to play by Western rules. The London Declaration demonstrated that European leaders and Zelenskyy are banking on the US Democratic Party&#8217;s approach in the hope that the Trump era will end.<\/p>\n<p>However, without the military and financial might of the United States, this declaration remains just a concept on paper. Europe can only provide money and a limited amount of weapons. It&#8217;s no wonder the British Defense Secretary resigned due to underfunding of the army, while Germany suspended production of its latest military aircraft and slowed the rearmament of the Bundeswehr. Only the United States has strategic aviation, space reconnaissance, and a powerful air defense system. Therefore, America&#8217;s return to global leadership is vital for our security.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: It seems European leaders are trying to wait out Trump. However, right-wing populist forces are gaining ground within Europe itself. For example, in Britain, Keir Starmer is under constant pressure, while Nigel Farage is gaining momentum. Notorious provocateur Tommy Robinson traveled to Moscow to meet with Elon Musk&#8217;s father, where they declared that Russia is not an enemy. Argentine President Javier Miley, who previously supported Ukraine, has now completely aligned himself with Trump. Similar processes are unfolding in Spain, where Pedro S\u00e1nchez&#8217;s government is in conflict with Trump, which could lead to the closure of American bases. Trump&#8217;s policies are highly personalized and unpredictable. How should Ukraine proceed in these circumstances?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yuriy Lutsenko:<\/strong> This has long been clear. Trump views the United States not as the world&#8217;s policeman, but as a business project. He&#8217;s only interested in resources. Ukraine, unfortunately, due to internal scandals, preemptively handed over its resources under agreements that weren&#8217;t even shown to our parliamentarians. Therefore, it&#8217;s difficult for us to offer Trump anything commercially attractive right now. However, we can offer him the role of the most effective shield for Western civilization. Even Trump acknowledges the high combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian army.<\/p>\n<p>We benefit from restoring political balance in the United States. A single party&#8217;s monopoly is always harmful\u2014we saw this in our previous &#8220;mono-majority,&#8221; when money was spent on major construction projects instead of defense. If the Democrats gain a majority in Congress, Trump will be forced to take them into account.<\/p>\n<p>A similar situation is observed in Poland, where liberal Prime Minister Donald Tusk is forced to balance his relationship with the conservative president of the PiS party. Unfortunately, the theme of the historical past once again dominates Polish politics. Poland, as a former empire, is nostalgic for its lost territories. Although a consensus was previously reached at the presidential level on the principle of &#8220;forgive and ask for forgiveness,&#8221; today historical traumas are once again being used as a tool of political pressure.<\/p>\n<p>The sudden escalation surrounding the Volyn tragedy and the figure of Stepan Bandera is an artificial process. The proposal to rename one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units was prepared by Iryna Vereshchuk (a politician from Medvedchuk&#8217;s former circle), without even coordinating it with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The president signed this decree without considering the consequences for relations with Warsaw. Poland&#8217;s reaction was immediate and emotional, forcing Zelenskyy to fly to Europe, bypassing Polish airports.<\/p>\n<p>Poland must decide whether to look to the past or build a common future with Ukraine. If we follow the path of historical disputes that Moscow is forcing upon us through its useful idiots and fifth column, we will never find common ground. Russia is actively playing on the historical sentiments of our neighbors \u2013 Romania, Hungary, and Poland \u2013 in an attempt to undermine European solidarity.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Finally, regarding events in the post-Soviet space. In Armenia, pro-Kremlin candidate Karapetyan <a href=\"https:\/\/prm.ua\/en\/pashinyans-party-leads-in-armenian-elections\/\">was defeated<\/a> in the elections, and Pashinyan remained prime minister. Could this be considered another systemic defeat for Putin, given the recent elections in Moldova and the rising popularity of the opposition in Hungary?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yuriy Lutsenko:<\/strong> Absolutely. This is the natural process of the final collapse of the Russian empire. Ukraine began this process back in 2004 with the Orange Revolution, but in Armenia it&#8217;s only just beginning. Armenia has long been under Moscow&#8217;s financial and political influence, but today even neighboring countries and Iran agree that it&#8217;s time to rid the region of Russia&#8217;s military presence.<\/p>\n<p>Putin launched a war against Ukraine with the goal of reasserting imperial control over Eastern Europe, but what he received was NATO expansion and the military collapse of his army. Even within Russia itself, a transition of power is beginning: the emergence of Surkov&#8217;s new party, &#8220;New People,&#8221; which immediately took second place in the local elections, demonstrates that the Russian elite is already considering a future without Putin. 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